How women move in tabligh ?

1. one is eligible to travel in masturath jamath to far of places(within tthe country) only when the mahram has spent minimum 40 days and women should have spent atleast 10 days or 3 days for 3 or more times(dont exactly remember)

2. all should gather at the khawatin manzil (a special place(mostly houses) only for women to gather, which is present in every halqa or division). i.e the mahram will come and leave his wife at the house and he will go to the masjid which is nearby and all men gather there to do mashwara

3. while leaving for a station or airport, the mahram goes to the house where women stay and take his partner to the station (most of the time vehicles of local sathis are used for this purpose)

4. while travelling they should sit with their mahram, for example like in a bus the women should sit near window side and man on general side

5. after reaching the destination, again the women travel to khawatin manzil along with their mahrams and the men then go to the masjid near by

if the mahram is husband, then husband is allowed to sleep with his wife in turns, i.e if two are more pairs are present, they are allowed to get together one after another based on the capacity of seperate rooms khawatin manzil has and it should have minimum of one

if the mahram is daughter or sister then the mahram can meet her anytime when there is no ijtemai amal

in this way the mahrams meet with their partners almost every day

so where are they left alone, away from their mahrams ??

khawatin manzils are the most secure places for any women traveller to stay in, they are mainly houses in which a seperate flat is given for jamats and the family of that house also stays there, manzils are not seperate houses or flats where only women have to stay, even the other members of halqa stay with them

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question:

i have seen masturat jamaats travelling in a van with a male driver and their mahram in a seperate vehicle to and from the destiination

answer:

if the vehicle resources are less, then they might have gone, but atleast one of the mahrams will travel with them

i have also seen each pair(10 couples(2 jamaths)) brought in a seperate vehicle to the markaz

its a common practice that women travel in autos and rikhshaws. atleast here they are having their mahrams following the vehicle

Nonsense dowry system

Assalamua'laikum

the dowry system in the sub-continent is a wrath on muslims.
it has gone so far that the parents have started to save dowry for a daughter the time she is born.

these two incidents have made me wondered and i felt i would go and slap them left and right

1. my mom was telling a relative of ours called an another relative and said that some one in her relatives wanted to marry their daughter, she straight aaway first asked how much dowry are they willing to give, interestingly my aunt said we are not at all interested in such people

2. another close relative of mine has a single daughter, she is going to be married to a bit religious family, thought they havent asked anything, this brides mother is doing over acting, she is giving her many new things like laptop and all, creating a new extra bidah and burden to others. to show my discontent, i have decided to just meet the bride groom in function all, and come back, i am not going to eat or drink anything there and not even stay more than 10 minutes. first of all i am ashamed to even go there, but since they are my close relatives i have to go orelse i am afraid it would break tie ups

it really makes me wonder to what stage muslims have fallen to, instead of showing my silent discontent, i cant do anything, but inshaallah i feel my showing of this open discontent will surely bring change among others

i pray that Allah save us all from this system and give us ability to lead a simple and happy isamic way of life

ameen

yes and it makes me very sad when i see this so called rich people spending lacks of rupees for their marriages

even the so called deeni muslims are indulged in this barbaric activity

it is just like throwing away the girls from their houses by paying extra amount of money to their husbands, such marriages hardly turn out to have enjoyable life later and for every need the husband will turn to brides family, in another incident i heard even for the gas connection they took the money from brides family, i wonder to what level this beggars will still fall

like in second story, if such people change then it will be easier to change the others

my heart still says, i shoudnt attend that marriage, but they are very close relatives of mine

the only solution i found very useful for this and i am implementing practically is

1. youngsters should strongly oppose this system (especially males)
2. when ever the talk of dowry comes, use some harsh comments like
- he want to live on money of his wife
- he cant even spent on his wife, so he takes the amount from her father
- he is a beggar
- he is impotent etcc..
p.s: only males should use such language against other brothers who take, when we start using such comments, others who wish to take dowry will feel ashamed

3. brothers shouldnt accept any thing from brides even if they want to give happily
4. brothers should do marriage in masjid and distribute dates to all attendees and disperse
5. valima can be done by calling our direct uncles and aunts at home
6. we should stop spreading the excuse " it is permissible to do according to our standard". we should remember that others follow what we do and others may not have the standard as we have

and very important: sisters too should let their desire of wearing so much jewelry and costly costumes for marriages and they should also force their families and friends to cut down the unnecessary costs for marriages

p.s i have decided to end my marriage within 10,000(around 200 US dollars) from my side and zero rupees from brides side

and plz do dua that i achieve this goal

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Women in Islam, Respect given by Allah

Assalmua'laikum

This work is under process(it is a translation to a urdu speech), all the Quran verses and hadiths will be placed with reference and the urdu words will be replaced with english inshaAllah, please remember in duas

Oh! My daughters please read the Quran; I wish you read it,
Please listen to Quran of Allah, the respect Allah has given to you.
I wish you understand,
What has Europe given to you, what west has given to you, they have given you shamelessness, they have made you sell your bodies, they have hung you in the markets, they have dipped you in alcohol. Its Islam, which has made you sit on the sky. But there should be someone who could read it. But when you keep the spectacles of kufr (i.e you see as the things as non-believers), then how you will understand Quran.
Not only this, listen ahead my friends, listen to Allah’s Quran, the respect it has given
Verse:
Allah says: those who find fault (tohmath, aib) with the pure wives, innocent wives, believing wives, those who say they have done zina, for such people there is La,nath of Allah In this world and in the here after and they have a heavy punishment

Imagine the position the women has near Allah, Allah says the pure women and the innocent women, who doesn’t know any chalaki of this world, and the women who believe Allah and his prophet, if some one charges such women then Allah says, there is wrath of Allah on them in this world and the hereafter and they have a heavy punishment.

With this Allah has opened two rulings in the Quran

if some person charges a women with zina, may Allah forbid. Saying she drinks alcohol or something, its not that, but saying she has indulged in zina, because in islam, the biggest important thing is the respect of women. That is why the disbelievers have removed the importance of women. For them women are just like a cup of tea, now one drinks from that cup after sometime some other drinks, then again wash and keep it, what valve do they give to women. Near them its just that there should be no quarrel, both should be always raazi. That people who say zina is a business, what should we explain to them about the status of women. Even now if you go to the European countries and those dirty places and markets, some women there feel its business, infact there will be advertisements and telephone numbers of women and addresses. And in that adds they write In such a way about women that a man from period of jahilaya also cannot read it. This is the respect of women (the non-believers give). What do such people know of women ?. they say we have given respect to women,

so, the two rulings are

1. if some person charges a pure women and believing women of fornication. Then what should he do, he should either bring witness, he should prove that the charge he has made is true. It not that you say what ever you like. But my brother in such community where zina is not zina, in the community where sin is not a sin, it is a business. Once I was going with a friend in his vehicle, I always make fun with him, when I sat inside, he locked the doors. I said with fun to him,do you think I will run away from your car, why are you locking the door. He said maulana if I don’t lock the door, then at traffic signals, women will come and sit inside, then they will tell you to give money, otherwise they will shout and charge you with false accustations. Now where the situation is like this, how they will know what is a women. Where for playing juwa there is women, to make drink there is a women. Then what will happen to them.
Its with the eye of justice if you see islam then you will understand,
If a person charges a pure women with fornication and cant produce a witness, then the punishment in islam is, this punishment is not given by a normal jury but the Quran of Allah.
Verse:
Allah says, who charge pure women with fornication and after charging they cant produce four witness

You would not have looked over this thing, but please concentrate, on the biggest of the biggest issues, even if the issue is of billions, we have only two witnesses

Verse for 2 witness

But when the issue of womens image has come, Allah says two witness are not sufficient, we need four witness, the women is so expensive that even the billions of rupees cant compete with her. Money may come back after sometime, but when the respect of women is taken away, how can it be returned, who can return it
verse
Then Allah says, if he cant bring four witness, then beat him 80 lashes. Because he has made a false accusation without proof.
verse
Even after beating the punishment is not over, Allah says until he is alive, we shouldn’t consider his witness, he is the worst man and his witness shouldn’t be taken in future.
verse
If he repents then Allah will forgive him

2. now if someone charges his own wife, see it is not a game to say anything about a women, even though she is your wife

verse

if he charges his wife and couldn’t bring four witness, then he should stand infront of people and say for four times “ If I have told false then may Allah send his wrath on me” and fifth time he should say “I get the la’nath of Allah “

This is the respect of women, this is the importance of women, this is the position of women, that no body can open their mouth over women. No body can charge her without any reason, even though she is the wife, no body can talk what ever he likes about her. If Allah gives strength please read the sur-e-nur as many times as you can and see the respect Allah has given to women in Islam.


If Allah gives us understanding and in our heart we have the importance of Allah’s Quran, I mean if we understand the position of Quran and the sayings of Allah.
Quran is the complete and wonderful book Allah has sent to us. That is why I say if someones name comes on the kings tongue then there will be some importance of the person of whom the king is talking.

Allah has spoken specially of women in this Quran, In which there are facts about the Prophets, in which Allah has given his orders and his likings, with this Quran Allah has raised the humans from their dirty lives upto the skies
Verse
In such a book, if Allah has spoken of women. What can be the big reference than this that the women have the great position near Allah

I wish the women could understand, see one child always wants to go and play outside, he also wants to do swimming, and go and ride the bike on the river side, it doesn’t mean that if they are not allowed by their parents, then the child is not independent. A small boy is there and what ever he gets in his hand he catches it and suppose there is a knife in his hand, then how the parents run towards him, to take off that knife, now are they taking away his human rights, do we say if he is taking the knife then let him beat with it where ever he likes. If our commonsense is locked, if we keep the name of behayayi as freedom and if we keep the name of selling of bodies of women as right of human, then we cant even do the matam of this