Assalamua'laikum
Very nicely explained by Moulana Nazim mangera
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When we talk about Tabligh, we talk about the most important aspect of it which is going to individuals and meeting them at their places. How does Tasawwuf incorporate this in their day to day activities when this was the main responsibility of every prophet i.e. going to the people.
When TJ folks don't see that in Tasawwuf and they understand the importance of it, they don't give as much attention to doing bayt with a shaykh.
They feel that the purpose of Tasawwuf which is Tazkiyah can be attained through Tabligh so they don't feel the need to do bayt.
So folks....stop whining about Tabligh Jamat not doing enough of Tasawwuf because they are doing much more Tasawwuf than what Tasawwuf folks are doing for Tabligh.
Assalaamu Alaikum,
ReplyDeleteI'm told by my father that Dr Nadir saheb (and elder of tableegh) used to say.
1. Da'wah wa Tableegh
2. Tadrees wa Ta'leem
3. Tasneed wa Ta'leef (which is classed under #1 by Shaykhul Hadeeth Moulana Zakariyah Kandhalwi (RA) in one of his book about Da'wah and Tableegh)
4. Taskiyatun Nafs (ie Tasawwuf)
Without Da'wah wa Tableegh, the other three are lifeless. Without the other three, Da'wah wa Tableegh is fitnah.
my comment- Each one is important, each one is needed to become a good Muslim. It is true one may excel further in one of the fields than the others, but ultimately a person should involve him/herself in all three. It should not be that there are three separate groups fighting over who is the best, because they are all needed, the same was a person needs flour, water and salt to make a roti.
Tabligh should not only be classified as leaving the house and going in jama'at, and if it is generalized to mean that, then that is an obvious problem. Otherwise, what would we say about people like Mufti Ebrahim Desai saheb, or Shaykh Zufiqar Ahmed saheb? They do not go in jama'at. Does that mean they are not doing da'wah and tableegh? No, it just means they are doing tableegh another way.
~sudoku
Walaikum salam
ReplyDeleteI personally and as one involved with tabligh, feel that all the works of deen are good, the only thing is others should realise it
my problem is with their pointing out errors. ofcourse we are to do islah of errors, but not by pointing out others mistakes openly
may be tasawwuf is an important work, but we should think for a while, what did Ashraf Ali thanwi Rahma did with his tasawwuf and what Moulana Ilyas did with his tabligh
i am not at all comparing their status or anything, but the result is infront of you
how many have changed to islam through tasawwuf and how many through tabligh ?
and again neither me nor any tabligh wala has any problem with tasawwuf, the only thing is the students of tasawwuf should realise that sheikhs will not help in spreading islam to non-practicing muslims
which sheikh will go and tell a youngster who is dancing in pub about islam or which shagird will go and tell ?
its not tablighis having problem with tasawwuf, its students of tasawwuf having problem with tablighis
The work of Mufti Ibrahim desai and sheikh Zulfiqar (though i dont know him)is much appreciated, the only problem is with those people who dont understand the importance of tabligh
Assalaamu Alaikum,
ReplyDeleteSee, this is why both...no all three works (ie tasawwuf, tableegh and ta'leem) are all important factions in Islam. If we look at the examples you gave of Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Moulana Ilyas (Rahmatullahu Alayhima) you will see that both had the same aim in mind. To bring people back to Islam, as well as do Islaah of the nafs.
Tasawwuf, Tabligh and Ta'leem should not be looked at as three seperate entities, rather three entities that compliment each other, need each other, and are incomplete without each other.
Now about students of tasawwuf having problems with tableegh, well honestly it must depend on where people live. Where I originally come from, it was very rampant that the youngsters involved in tableeghi jamaat would see the older workers looking down on those 'ulama as well as other mutaqi people who did not go out in jama'ah. Note, they would be criticizing the same 'aalim who had the duty of leading five time salaat in the masjid as well as teaching Quran and other classes! And the funny thing is, even after he went in jama'at, some people would not accept what he said, because he wasn't a tableeghi 'aalim.
So, from what I've seen, there are people from all three factions who will point at each other and nit pick at faults, claiming that they belong to the better group. How can they be in the better group, when in fact each group is incomplete without the other? I find laymen with limited knowledge are the ones who find faults with another person. A person should look at him/herself first, and then will think twice about making statements.
Note, Alhamdu Lillah I have lots of exposure to tableeghi jama'at as both my dada as well as dad are part of tableeghi jama'at. I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that tableegh has done great things for Islam, if you see my posts in Sunniforum, you'll see that. My only problem is when people of any group decide that they are the best.
Wassalaamu Alaikum,
sudoku
Assalamua'laikum
ReplyDeleteI am not at all deciding tabligh is best, i give equal status to all the works, might it be tabligh, scholars or khatmay nabuwat, everyone is working with their own specialisations
but unfortunately there are many people in all the groups pointing fingers at each other, having exposure to almost of all tanzims present in my state, i can conclude without being sympathetic to anyone, that most of them find fault with tablighis only :(
Aah.. Your comparison that what Molana Ilyas Rehmatullah did and what Molana Ashraf Ali thanvi rehmatullah did is basically your illiteracy and nothing.
ReplyDeleteThe faiz of Madaaris and Great Ulaam you are seeing it is basically of Hazrat Thanvi Rehmatullah Alaih. See.. Dar-ul-Uloom Korango to the Dar-ul-uloom of Azadville. And one thing i want to write openly here. Thanvi rehmatullah had made the Factories (MAdrassas and Ulama) and tablighi jamat is making workers. so keep in your mind that Madrassa and Ulama have Superior status in Islam.
Why dont you say the same thing of comparison before Hazrat Molana Tariq jameel or Mufti Taqi Usmani. Wait.. i am going to write Mufti taqi Usmani, Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Molana Younus Patel, Molana Hakeem Akhtar to let the other peoples Know the truth.
JazakAllah
Assalamua'laikum
ReplyDeletesorry for your misunderstanding brother, if you see the title and the comments, we are discussing here about tabligh and tasawwuf, not about tabligh and madaris or scholars
jazakAllahu khairan
Assalaamualiakum WaRah'matullah! Is this brother "Abdul Quddus" who was in 4 months with Brother Afroz and brother Affaan, Imran, Rizwan, etc?
ReplyDeleteWalaikum salam
ReplyDeleteYes, and who is you ?
please email me abdless@gmail.com
tableegh is "ummul Hasannat" (mother of all good deeds), as long as there is tableegh all other good deeds will continue to come into exsistance (Alhamdulillah) as it can be likened to watering the roots of a tree and all other good/great actions as afore mentioned is like the fruits of the tree!!!!That is why ml. ashraf ali r.a. said about ml. Ilyas r.a: "ILYAAS HAS CHANGED 'AAS' (despondency) INTO YAAS (full of hope)"...this is because inspite of all the great ulamaas and madaaris at that time yet ulamaa were all becoming hopeless of the condition of the decline of the ummah and its remedy- until ml. Asraf A saw the inner strenth/beauti/effects in the futre of the effort of tableegh!!!!!
ReplyDeleteLastly, Ulamaa are the doctors and the rest of the ummah are the patients!!!!
Tableegh is like the heart, I'lm (madraasah) is like the head, Tasaawuf is like the kidnys/liver etc all of which is equally important in the life of a human!!!
May allah accept us for the upliftment of his deen...-that's what is most important-!!!AMEEN
Assalamualaikum
ReplyDeleteHazrat Aqdas Maulana Yousuf Sb-may his grave be filled with noor- once said that a person who attachs himself to some particular sect or place like we are tablighi, we are sufi, we are indian , we are paki, etc assassinates the whole UMMAH
'A person who does not respect an aalim (whether tablighi or sufi), he is not among us...' a hadith says something like that.....
anyways brothers...dawat is our maqsad...and it is farz e ain on every muslim like 5 times salaat a day...we do 2 SAJDA in one RAKAAT of salaat cuz prophet-peace be upon him- and suhabah-may almighty be pleased with them- did only 2 SAJDA...if someone does 3 SAJDA instead of 2 SAJDA his salaat will not be accepted...similarly effort of deen i.e. dawat should be in the way our beloved prophet-pece be upon him- and suhabah-almighty be pleased with them- did THAT IS...maal, jaaan waqt ki qurabi....n this is called aamaal-e-nabuuvat...
aaamaal-e-nabuvat asbab-e-hidayat hai...dawat is not only sufficient but it is recommended for hidayat....
HAZRAT AQDAS AMEER-UL-MOMINEEN MAULNA MOHAMMAD SAA'D SAHB KANDAHLAWI DB SAYS '' ES KAAM MEI TARBIYAT BHI HAI, TALEEM BHI HAI AUR TAZKIYA BHI HAI''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS ''KAAM KO TEEN BUNYADAY SAMNE RAKH KAR KARNA HAI...MERE KITNEE TARAKEEE, KITNEE TARBIYAT AUR ALLAH PAK KE ZAAT SE KITNA TALUQ BAN RAHA HAI''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS '' ALLAH KE ZAAT SE SAB SE ZYADA TALUQ , ALLAH KE RASTE KE NAQUL O HARKAT SE HOTA HAI''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS ''ULAMA KE PASS ROZANA ILM HASIL KARNAY KE LIYE JAVO''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS'' TAHJUD KE WAQT DEKH KAR QUR'AN KE TILAWAT KARO AUR AADHA GANTA UMMAT KE LIYE DUA KARO...NABIYUU'N PAR TAHJUD FARZ THEE...YE UMMAT NABIYUU'N KA KAAM KARNE KELIYE ALLAH NE BHEJE HAI'' ....therefore tahjud sab muslim zaroor padhnay chahye....
Dear brothers....dawat KAAMIL KAAM hai...do what our elders say...n see yours hearts will be filled with noor of ikhlaas...which is also the final stage of tasawuf...
MAULANA SAYED AHMAD KHAN Rh.A SAYS '' KAAM MEI TANKEED MANA HAI''
dont criticize anyone...we are a ummah...all the efforts of deen are HAQ....
SAB KAAM SAHE HAI...MERA KAAM YEHE(DAWAT) HAI....
MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH give us n whole ummah baseerat on dawat n perish all our sins n bad deeds...
salaam
ReplyDeletei searched 'maulana ilyas tasawwuf' in google and this is the first hit on the first page!!!!!!
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Can someone translate this bit for me?
ReplyDeleteHAZRAT AQDAS AMEER-UL-MOMINEEN MAULNA MOHAMMAD SAA'D SAHB KANDAHLAWI DB SAYS '' ES KAAM MEI TARBIYAT BHI HAI, TALEEM BHI HAI AUR TAZKIYA BHI HAI''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS ''KAAM KO TEEN BUNYADAY SAMNE RAKH KAR KARNA HAI...MERE KITNEE TARAKEEE, KITNEE TARBIYAT AUR ALLAH PAK KE ZAAT SE KITNA TALUQ BAN RAHA HAI''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS '' ALLAH KE ZAAT SE SAB SE ZYADA TALUQ , ALLAH KE RASTE KE NAQUL O HARKAT SE HOTA HAI''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS ''ULAMA KE PASS ROZANA ILM HASIL KARNAY KE LIYE JAVO''
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS'' TAHJUD KE WAQT DEKH KAR QUR'AN KE TILAWAT KARO AUR AADHA GANTA UMMAT KE LIYE DUA KARO...NABIYUU'N PAR TAHJUD FARZ THEE...YE UMMAT NABIYUU'N KA KAAM KARNE KELIYE ALLAH NE BHEJE HAI'' ....therefore tahjud sab muslim zaroor padhnay chahye....
Dear brothers....dawat KAAMIL KAAM hai...do what our elders say...n see yours hearts will be filled with noor of ikhlaas...which is also the final stage of tasawuf...
MAULANA SAYED AHMAD KHAN Rh.A SAYS '' KAAM MEI TANKEED MANA HAI''
dont criticize anyone...we are a ummah...all the efforts of deen are HAQ....
SAB KAAM SAHE HAI...MERA KAAM YEHE(DAWAT) HAI....
Jazakallah
I think that we should read the book by Molana Manzoor Nomani- where he has mentioned "jO LOG DEEN KI MEHNAT MEIN LAGE HOAY HAIN UNKO TASAWWUF KI BOHOT ZAROORAT HAI". One of the very old workers of tabligh - from the time of Molana Yusuf (Rahmatullah alaihi)- Dr. Auliya Khan sahab (now in Jeddah) who is also from amongst the counterparts of Dr. Nader Ali Khan, though not famous, but was in the sohbat of Hazrat Molana Zakarriya (Rahmatulla alihi) in Saharanpur, India said - that he heard Molana Zakarriya(Rh) once saying in the majlis of his khanqah - "Please do for tabligh whatever you can. Pyaron!!- Jitna Mein is kaam kay baarey mein janta hoon tum nahin jantey. Is tabligh key kam kay liyey jo ho sakhta hay karo. Then he said - "Pyaron!! hamara kaam (tasawwuf) tabligh kay kaam mein namak key tara hay. Pyaron- apney is tabligh kay kaam mein namak laga lo!!". So, actually tabligh, taleem and tasawwuf go together. One without the other is incomplete.
ReplyDeleteBismillah.
ReplyDeleteThe above translation as requested:
HAZRAT AQDAS AMEER-UL-MOMINEEN MAULNA MOHAMMAD SAA'D SAHB KANDAHLAWI DB SAYS '' ES KAAM MEI TARBIYAT BHI HAI, TALEEM BHI HAI AUR TAZKIYA BHI HAI''
Maulana Sa'd Kandhlawi (DB) says, "In this work there is tarbiyat (upbringing or self-growth), ta'leem (learning), and tazkiya (purification of the heart)."
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS ''KAAM KO TEEN BUNYADAY SAMNE RAKH KAR KARNA HAI...MERE KITNEE TARAKEEE, KITNEE TARBIYAT AUR ALLAH PAK KE ZAAT SE KITNA TALUQ BAN RAHA HAI''
"The work should be done while keeping three pillars in sight: 1) How much is my improvement and increase; 2) How much is my tarbiyat; and 3) How much connection is developing with the Greatness of Allah (SWT)."
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS '' ALLAH KE ZAAT SE SAB SE ZYADA TALUQ , ALLAH KE RASTE KE NAQUL O HARKAT SE HOTA HAI''
"The greatest increase in connection to the Greatness of Allah (SWT) is done by going out in the path of Allah and by movement."
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS ''ULAMA KE PASS ROZANA ILM HASIL KARNAY KE LIYE JAVO''
"Go every day to acquire knowledge from the 'Ulama."
HAZRAT ALSO SAYS'' TAHJUD KE WAQT DEKH KAR QUR'AN KE TILAWAT KARO AUR AADHA GANTA UMMAT KE LIYE DUA KARO...NABIYUU'N PAR TAHJUD FARZ THEE...YE UMMAT NABIYUU'N KA KAAM KARNE KELIYE ALLAH NE BHEJE HAI''
"At the time of tahajjud, recite the Qur'an by looking at it and, for half an hour, make du'a for the Ummah. For the prophets, tahajjud was fardh (obligatory). This Ummah was sent by Allah to do the work of the prophets."
And brothers please correct any mistakes in the translation. Note that I translated 'ZAAT' as 'Greatness', however perhaps a more literal translation is 'essence.'
JAK
May Allah reward us all.
Oh and about the above discussion between tableegh/tasawwuf/ta'leem, the Malfoozaat of Maulana Ilyas (RA) has some very pertinent advice; perhaps someone can post it here. JazakAllah khair
Tableegh has brought up a revolution in the current era...
ReplyDeleteTasawwuf is not less important..
If one feels while doing tableegh that he is not getting purity of intention there is no issue if he makes bayat with a sufi sheikh..
this shall cause no harm to his tableegh work.. rather it shall add to the quality of his work..
bayat is not fard (complimentary), but if the faraid are not accomplished without it, it becomes necassary..
tabligh is fard-e-ain...
Allah knows best